Men Clinton Supporter's & What They Say by Karen Hill

Millions of Hillary Clinton supporters trudge on, although they have been completely ignored by the main stream media. Which seems to focus on an anti Hillary Clinton pro John McCain stance which suits the agenda of one main stream media outlet just fine. Although much, in some cases too much, has been made about the women supporting Hillary Clinton her support is not strictly gender based. This may shock many of you, but there is a large equally frightening in numbers and equally rabid Hillary Clinton supporter that has gone virtually ignored. Men.

My husband, bless his heart, made this observation. So I began reaching out to male Hillary Clinton supporters and found they have very deep feelings about their support of Sen. Hillary Clinton, as well as deep feelings about the treatment she has received. What you may find surprising is the reaction they seem to have.

There is an overwhelming anger at what seems to be viewed as very un-gentlemanly behavior on the part of the male elite within the democratic party. These unacknowledged male Hillary Clinton supporters that I have had the privilege to speak with appear to feel very strongly that no one with in the party, "had her back" so to speak. Rather their opinion seems to be that one of the most respected and accomplished women in American politics was set up, by her own party.

The perception they try to convey is as difficult for me to put into words as it is for some of them. These everyday Joe's, these time clock punchers and computer programers and antique dealers have lost all respect for the men within the democratic party, as men. They perceive these party elders as the type of men that witness violence and quietly walk away from it rather than stand up to it.  These everyday men seem view our male democratic party elders as cowards and the women within the party elite as fighters. One example I received over and over was Tina Flournoy, although she is usually described as "that short little black lady with curly hair that went after Wexler"

I know this sounds gender based, its not. To the men I spoke to it is honor based. Although not one single man of the 30+ men I have spoken with used that particular word. There is apparently an unwritten male code of honor. Men themselves do not seem to be able to articulate it. Honor as a man. Honor as a human being. Honor as in the respect for a fair fight. To these men the 2008 Presidential Primary was in no way honorable rather they, albeit quietly, feel strongly the men of the democratic party lost all their respect as men and equally as politicians.

Ask men who supported Hillary Clinton the following question. As the leader of the Democratic Party what do you think of Howard Dean? The responses shocked me. The responses were not wordy. The overwhelming response was one word "Wimp", although there were quite a few that are not printable but refer to a backside of anatomy plus a hole, "as*h*le". Initially these men gravitated to John McCain. They will tell you that John McCain stood up and stated Hillary Clinton had been treated unfairly, but he did so too late. While they did initially gravitate to John McCain, they seem to feel his statement against the media coverage was a bit too little a bit too late. From some recent emails and conversations with some of these men they seem to be gravitating away from John McCain and toward Ralph Nadar. Male America seems to be seeking principles. How odd, principles in politics.

Below you will find the questions they were asked and the answers four of them gave. In their own words.

Male Clinton Supporter A:

name: Steve

age range: 35-45

party affiliation: until Sat may 31 Democrat; now Independent

Male Clinton supporter B:

name: Andrew

age range: 55+

party affiliation: Dem.

Male Clinton Supporter C:

name: Mark

age range: 35-45

party affiliation: Democrat

Male Clinton Supporter D:

name: David

age range: 24

party affiliation: Democrat/Independent

 

Question: What are 3 reasons lead to you choosing to support Senator Hillary Clinton?

Steve Male Clinton Supporter A

I know Clinton, I know what she stands for, and thanks to 20 years of republican attacks I know way more about her than I really want to. Im all for universal health care, Some years ago I had no health care my employer didn't offer it. I was working on my house and nearly cut 3 of my fingers off with a table saw. As I stood there blood gushing, I had to decide if I had to go to the hospital on a Saturday and deal with the expense of stitching them up, which I really couldn't afford, or figuring something else out. At that time money was tight so instead of the hospital my wife bandaged them all up and we took care of them. Today I have some nasty scars but luckily I have my fingers. Universal health care has always been a passion of Hillary but Obama gives me the impression it is just something he has to pretend to be in favor of. Lastly I would have been ok with obama before this whole Michigan, Florida thing happened then because of all that I started learning more about him, something I will never fail to do in advance again. I found Obama to be completely different than the man he pretends to be and believe the country is better off with anyone instead of Obama.

Andrew Male Clinton supporter B:

Her past performance as First Lady, and her current performance as NY Senator.

Her ideas on all of the issues facing us now, and her whole life as a public servant, that really cared about the entire country's well being and not just the wealthy like Reagan and Bush 1 & 2.

2 brilliant people running the country again: Hillary + Bill =success for the country & economic recovery & national pride for our country around the world again. The 90's were great, we actually had prosperity and a surplus when Bill left office.

 

Mark Male Clinton Supporter C:

1) Seemed a moderate/middle-of-the-road candidate. 2) Her experience. 3) She reflects my values more than any of the other candidates.

 

Male Clinton Supporter D:

1. I like what she stands for 2. I think she would really try to get things accomplished 3) She is a fighter and I like that

 

Question: What are 3 reasons you have lead to you choosing not to support Senator Barack Obama?

Steve Male Clinton Supporter A:

only 3 reasons wow tough choice how am I going to pick? I think first and foremost it is the fact that in Illinois he chose to be one of only a few state senators who voted to prosecute people for using a firearm to defend themselves in their own home. Thats a biggy I believe in owning guns, and will do whatever I have to protect my family. Other people he has chosen to associate with have shown similar leanings in regards to guns. I know Hillary has some gun control leanings but by far not as radical as Obama and his backers in the DNC. Second His radical leanings. Obama has way too many friends and associates who are the radical leftist fringe of the party. Bill Ayers is a good example, How can our president swear to preserve, protect and defend the constitution against all threats foreign and domestic, if he has associated with people who have committed treason and actually declared war on the U.S. and even bombed the pentagon? Lastly I would say the fact that although Obama says things like "yes we can" and "we" need to do this and "we" need to do that, when it comes right down to it other than vague ideas of what needs done he never says HE will do anything. Over the past several months while fighting with Obama supports on you tube one of them said all the answers are on his website. So I went to it, there are no answers at all there only vague outlines that require an extraordinary level of unity that hasn't been seen in the entire history of this country. Why should I believe he can accomplish what even George Washington couldn't, and HE only had 13 states to contend with.

Andrew Male Clinton supporter B:

His hidden past indiscretions, and current alliances with known criminals, felons, terrorists, and religious fanatics.

No experience, we've had 8 years of a Pres. with on the job training, and look where we are now.

I DO NOT trust him, He's a liar among other things.

 

Mark Male Clinton Supporter C:

1) Inexperience. 2) Poor judgment; ie many friends and associates are either racists or terrorists. 3) He belonged to a church for approximately 20 years that had a racist leader and doctrine i.e. black liberation theology/black value system. I feel he believed in it, too, or he wouldn't have been a member all that time.

David Male Clinton Supporter D:

1. He hangs around with freaks 2. Hes been sold like a can of Pepsi 3. He hangs around more freaks

 

Question: Do you feel the media has been biased in favor of or against either of the candidates?

Steve Male Clinton Supporter A

Not even the media itself believe they haven't been biased in favor of Obama, except maybe Fox News. Every time I say something like that I cant believe what Im saying, but it is true. MSNBC & CNN have been banging the Obama drum do hard its gonna fall apart. It's been down right shameful to watch.

Andrew Male Clinton supporter B:

Disgustingly Biased in favor of Obama( It's like they have all been paid off), and against Sen. Clinton the most (very sexist), and against McCain, especially about his age(what ever happened to wisdom & experience that come over time, being a good thing?)

Mark Male Clinton Supporter C:

In favor of Obama, against Hillary Clinton.

David Male Clinton Supporter D:

Shows America is just 'one nation controlled be the media'

 

Question: How has the media treatment that Senator Hillary Clinton has experienced affected your opinion?

*Please include if you feel the media treatment has been sexist.

Steve Male Clinton Supporter A

I no longer watch MSNBC and I only watch Lou Dobb's on CNN sometimes. my feelings of how Hillary is the right man for the job have not changed. I am very angry about the media in general and now mostly just watch fox. As far as sexist You bet your ass the media has been sexist so has Obama. He treats every woman except maybe his wife like crap and the media lets him get away with it. Just review some of the debates, look at the body language when he feels he is dealing with anybody he views as lesser than himself. He stands as tall as he can raises his head exceptionally high and literally looks down his nose at them. He is a bully just a quiet one.

Andrew Male Clinton supporter B:

It hasn't affected my opinion, because I've always thought that she was the best candidate, and I still do. But it has affected other people, and has caused her to not be the nominee.

Mark Male Clinton Supporter C:

The media is the biggest threat to the freedom of our country.

David Male Clinton Supporter D:

Watching the news was like watching 5 thugs beating some good guy down and the good guy just keeps getting up.

 

Question: Have you experienced any negative responses to your choice of presidential candidates?

Steve Male Clinton Supporter A

First off I live near Detroit, the most segregated city in America, What do you think? It would be funny if it weren't so sad but Obama and his supporters are 1 step from criminal here. Before Obama we were united we were the party of inclusion, of diversity. Now they are driving a racial wedge between its members making it the party of the Blacks radicals and Leftist Radicals and leaving the rest of us high and dry. I have never judged a person on the color of their skin, but when I've talked & argued with Obamites it seems whenever they are loosing the argument [which is always] they all eventually fall back to calling me a racist. I do not vote based on race at all, some people do and thats their right, however it seems that an awful lot of people are voting for Obama for no other reason than he is black. So who is the racist? In my opinion the one voting strictly on race.

Andrew Male Clinton supporter B:

Yes, because people assume that I should vote for Obama because I'm Black

Mark Male Clinton Supporter C:

Of the few times I have publicly espoused my choice or reasons for such, I encountered negativity about half of the time.

David Male Clinton Supporter D:

Oh yeah its not something you tell anyone

 

Question: If you are familiar with the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee's ruling on the issue of seating the delegates and counting the votes of Michigan and Florida, tell me how you felt about the outcome of the DNC ruling.

Steve Male Clinton Supporter A

boy am I! I have read the DNC rules and quite frankly they have no rules because they have rules that say they can do anything they want, except take pledged delegates away from one candidate and giving them to another and reassigning delegates who have been pledged to uncommitted. My feelings here are not based on my support of Hillary they are based on doing whats right. If you take your name off the ballot you don't get any votes. By the DNC rules committees logic Kucinich should be able to demand half of the delegates from Texas, After all we have no way of telling how many votes he might have gotten and how many people stayed home because they couldn't vote for him. The true travesty here is that for the sake of giving their own favorite candidate a boost the rules committee chose to strong arm their own members and break rules they didn't have a right to break according to their own rules. The whole process was rigged which is what some members of the committee who support Obama said. Its a very sore subject with me as I feel my vote has been stolen.

Andrew Male Clinton supporter B:

It was a bad decision because the DNC cheated Sen. Clinton out of the nomination because of money.

Mark Male Clinton Supporter C:

I feel the ruling was decided before the meeting took place by the one-sided pro-Obama committee.

David Male Clinton Supporter D:

You posted an article 'the day democracy died' there you have it.

 

Question: In the event that Senator Clinton is not on the general election ticket would you consider a 3rd party candidate or would you consider writing in Senator Clinton's name?

Steve Male Clinton Supporter A

First off If Hillary isn't on the top of the ballot McCain or Nader gets my vote. I feel a vote against Obama makes more of a statement to the DNC than writing in Hillary, I feel writing in Hillary may send a message but we may end up with Obama anyway and quite frankly the party elites don't care what we do as long as Obama gets the election. They stole our vote. The only solution I feel is to steel the election away from them and keep stealing them.

Andrew Male Clinton supporter B:

Yes, I would consider both because I will never vote for Obama.

Mark Male Clinton Supporter C:

I would consider it but only in a situation where Obama clearly would not get elected by my vote not being cast for John McCain.

David Male Clinton Supporter D:

McCain is a good guy but he does not stand for what I do. My vote will be Ralph Nader or John McCain depends on the polls.

 

Question: Would you like to make a personal statement? *Please keep response to 1-2 paragraphs.

Steve Male Clinton Supporter A

Lets see.. How about, MAN HAS NOT PROGRESSED AN IOTA FROM THE SLIME THAT SPAWNED HIM! Thats pretty good eh? actually I am saddened and disappointed in the party I thought was for the common people. The party elites have proven the common people like myself are no longer welcome. They have done this country a great disservice by placing their own partisanship above the will of the people in order to try to make my party the leftist party. The leftist party has never won an election in this country. So as it turned out the leaders of the DNC have actually digressed from the slime that spawned them and America is the true loser as a result.

Andrew Male Clinton supporter B:

Obama has not been vetted at all. If he was white, or if he did not bring so much dirty money with him, he would have been laughed out of the race before IA & NH. Super Tuesday would have been the end of this debacle. If Sen. Clinton was a man she would have beaten him at least 3 to 1.

The reverse racism in this campaign is disgusting.

Mark Male Clinton Supporter C:

Boycott the media. Turn off the tv!

David Male Clinton Supporter D:

The Democratic Party is as much of a sham as the Republican Party. They are the users and we the people are nothing other than pawns in their game. Growing up my parents were die hard Democrats I was taught values I was taught respect. The party I donated to in both time and money displayed neither of these characteristics. I began the primary season enthusiastic that soon gave way to frustration which was followed by anger and disillusionment. This primary lost me friends two of which have gone to the extreme of moving to Europe.

In school, I always wondered, why did the Jew's not leave Germany before Hitler gained so much power? It was a question I have never had an answer to, until now. I don't like what I have seen and felt or what I feel. We as a people are not what we once were. We are sniveling cowards allowing ourselves to be ruled from one direction or the other. Once Americans stood up for the simple concept of representation, now representation is bought and sold on the open market.

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  • 7/1/2008 8:56 AM michelina wrote:
    Awesome article Karen. Good for you guys, it's such a pleasure to read good honest feelings for a change.

    I'm looking forward to your Part II in this story.

    Peace and Love to all of you
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  • 7/1/2008 12:54 PM GRL wrote:
    "Musings on Pollsters: Confessions of a Former Gallup Study Director…"
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/5xjfed

    Zogby and Gallup in non-technical terms and my own experiences being pushed to manipulate data…

    And Gallup has turned into a very scary business…not the organization I once worked for, for sure!
    They are doing a lot of prying for business...Sure not the organization I once worked for!! Very scary now!!
    Find out about it in my piece...
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  • 7/2/2008 5:03 PM GRL wrote:
    More info on polls in this new post...

    "Missouri and McCain"
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/4vqz7c

    Things look like Obama's electoral map is getting messed up in Missouri...
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  • 7/3/2008 12:17 PM greta wrote:
    I'm a Clinton supporter through and through. That was a great article. However, it really wasn't McCain's job or place to comment about what the media was doing to Hillary. He's running AGAINST the Dem candidates. Rather then put him in the mix, it is the fault of Dean, Reid, Pelosi and other Dem party elite. Hillary's own party turned on her. The Dem party is to blame for not speaking out against the sexism. Everyone should vote their conscience, but if the men are going to vote for Nadar, they should know that they are just putting Obama in the WH. McCain needs the Dem votes. So for those men who were leaning towards McCain to begin with, please think again and put the blame where it lies, with the Dem party elite. AND, John McCain was the only one who did say something about the way the media treated Hillary.

    I'm a Clinton supporter for McCain. My motto is: if Hillary is not the nominee, and we're trying hard to get her on the ballot, then I'm voting for McCain. We just cannot afford to have Obama in the White House.
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  • 7/3/2008 3:03 PM karen wrote:
    mich, thank you very much, you are very kind. The men I spoke to seem to feel very ignored but it seems like that expect that and accept it quietly. It was interesting talking to them about it. Thank you again Karen
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  • 7/3/2008 3:06 PM karen wrote:
    GRL, This is an incredible article! EVERYONE READ THIS POSTING!!! It is indepth and explains why the polls are so skewed. This information is knowledge based and very informative!
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/5xjfed THIS ARTICLE IS A MUST READ!!!!!!!!!
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  • 7/3/2008 3:20 PM karen wrote:
    greta, I too am a Clinton supporter and you are correct, in my opinion, as a politician it was NOT McCains responsibility to say anything. I dont think the men I spoke with meant or viewed it that way. From what I gather from them they viewed it more personally than his political responsibility. I think John McCain did far more than anyone could have expected as a rival politician he did stand up. Not all of the men I spoke with are voting for Nader should Hillary not obtain the nomination she rightfully won. By no means is that the case. However I would like to point out a vote for another democrat is not a vote for Obama. Actually voting for Nader is taking votes AWAY from Obama. Remember Nader was called a spoiler for Gore? Nader is already being called a spoiler for Obama. People will have to choose how they are going to vote for themselves. I cant tell people how to vote I can tell them over and over why I think they SHOULD NEVER vote for obama, but I dont think its my right to tell them how they should vote. I do feel, after we have exhausted real efforts to push our elected officials to vote, at the convention, according to the votes of their district, should that fail we must kick them out of office and work to make sure Obama does NOT take the White House. This is just my personal opinion Thank you for you wonderful comments, keep them coming!
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